gatortalk: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Making NFL jump: Gator candidates for leaving early

Only in basketball do they have the option to return. And they can only return if they do not hire an agent and pull their name out of the draft 2 weeks before it happens.

Let's reverse that, imagine an NBA team drafting Egbunu late in the 2nd round and now he decides he will come back for his senior year to improve his stock. Who is hurt in this scenario? Not Egbunu, not UF, only the NBA team is hurt. So why does the NCAA care if the NBA team is hurt if it will benefit the student?

In my opinion, the old adage of amateur athlete is pretty much out the window, it is all a business and they should make the decision that supports their interests best. The pro leagues could change their rules and let the team retain the rights and that would negate the advantage the student might gain by returning to college, but why not force that issue? And, it might be illegal for them ( Pro,league) to do that as it could be seen as an unfair labor practice.

I can not see a single reason why the NCAA would be willing to penalize students in favor of the pro leagues.

Ken Kirkley

On May 6, 2017, at 12:57 PM, Oliver Barry <barryo@realtracs.com> wrote:

I'm pretty sure they have the option. It's the involvement of an agent that they can't return from.
But, they can declare and see where they'd end up with the option to go back to school, as long as there's no agent.

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Jerry, you are spot on. The NCAA has full control of this situation, but allows the NFL to dictate the rules.

They should be concerned with the student athlete. If the NCAA allowed you to return if you either didn't like where you were drafted or if you weren't drafted at all, then the onus of evaluating draft talent is on the team, not some uncle advising the student.

There is precedent for this too, the MLB drafts kids out of high school. But the kid can still attend college if he doesn't like where he was drafted. This same solution would work for basketball too.

Ken Kirkley

On May 5, 2017, at 1:27 PM, Jerry D. Belloit <belloit@clarion.edu> wrote:
I kind of think that the NCAA needs to revisit the eligibility rules. I think that if a student athlete wants to be eligible for the draft and DOES NOT hire an agent, they should still have their eligibility. If the student athlete is not happy with where they are drafted or if they are not drafted, they should be able to return to their college team and continue their education. If they decide to not attend classes, they would simply lose their eligibility. It may be that the combines would have to adjust to the student athletes (rather than the student athletes adjusting to the combine) and hold combine activities on a couple of weekends.

This would also help someone like Bullard who might be actually found innocent. His draft was ruined and could possibly benefit with a successful senior season (not to mention the value of an additional year of college.)

Jerry

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Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Making NFL jump: Gator candidates for leaving early

According to an article I read 27 underclassmen were not drafted in the recent NFL draft. Several guys Andreu mentions below were not even full time starters.
Charlie

On 5/5/2017 7:56 AM, Shane Ford wrote:
Making NFL jump: Gator candidates for leaving early

Florida wide receiver Antonio Callaway (81) looks to make a move on Iowa defensive back Desmond King during the Outback Bowl at Raymond James Stadium in Tampa on Jan. 2. This may be Callaway's last season in a Gators uniform. King was drafted by the LA Chargers last weekend.
Brad McClenny/Staff Photographer
By Robbie Andreu
Gainesville SUN Staff writer

Published: Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 9:46 a.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 9:46 a.m.
Leaving school early for professional football has become an NFL draft tradition for Florida's top underclassmen.
This past weekend, five of the eight Gators drafted were juniors -- Quincy Wilson, Jalen Tabor, Alex Anzalone, David Sharpe and Caleb Brantley. In the 2016 draft, five of the seven selected were underclassmen.
That's 10 out of the last 15.
So, who's next?
Even though it's way too early, and a lot can happen between now and next April, here's a look at UF's draft-eligible underclassmen who might be NFL bound a year from now:
Antonio Callaway, wide receiver
Thanks, in part, to going through his first spring since he's been at UF, Callaway is in the best shape of his career and is getting himself primed for a big junior season. He's a proven playmaker as a receiver and a returner, and the NFL types will be drawn to that athleticism and versatility. With more playmakers around him -- guys like Dre Massey, Tyrie Cleveland, Josh Hammonds and DeAndre Goolsby -- Callaway will draw less double coverage, which will lead to more opportunities for him to make plays. This is a kid who has been grooming himself for the NFL since he arrived on campus.
Chances he leaves early: 95 percent.
Martez Ivey, offensive tackle
It's all setting up perfectly for Ivey to leave early. He had a good sophomore season at guard and started playing up to his five-star potential. Now, he's back at his more natural position, and the position he'll be making his living at -- left tackle. Ivey seems to have all the tools the NFL is looking for in a left tackle. He's big, strong, athletic, has long arms and moves his feet extremely well for a man his size. He'll be tested by the many speed rushers in the SEC (and at FSU). If he passes those tests, well, there's nowhere to go but up -- to the NFL.
Chances he leaves early: 95 percent.
Dre Massey, wide receiver
Had this speedy slot receiver stayed healthy and had the season the coaches were predicting for him in 2016, this junior college transfer would have been drafted this past weekend. But blowing out his ACL on the opening kickoff last season temporarily stalled his career. Although he was held out of contact work in the spring, he showed the same quickness, speed and playmaking ability in passing drills that had the coaches so excited heading into last season. The key factor for Massey is his health. If he can stay healthy, he figures to be a big part of the offense this season and will have a chance to put up numbers that will catch the attention of NFL coaches and scouts. His versatility as a returner and wildcat quarterback will only enhance his NFL chances.
Chances he leaves early: 90 percent.
Cece Jefferson, defensive end
A part-time starter (six games) last season, Jefferson becomes a full-time starter in 2017. He can (and will) play both inside at tackle and at end, giving him a chance to show the kind of versatility the NFL is looking for on the defensive line. He's strong, quick and athletic, and will have a chance to emerge as an elite SEC defensive lineman in the fall.
Chances he leaves early: 80 percent.
Eddy Pineiro, kicker
It's rare for NFL teams to use a draft pick on a kicker, but there are teams that might make an exception for Pineiro. He is one talented kicker, one with great range, accuracy and, maybe best of all, confidence. The NFL is looking for place-kickers who are close to automatic from 55 yards and in. That would be Pineiro. If he has a big junior season -- and there's no reason to assume he won't -- he may think it's time to move on.
Chances he leaves early: 75 percent.
Jabari Zuniga, defensive end
The NFL is always looking for strong edge pass rushers, and that's what Zuniga seems to be developing into. He showed flashes as a redshirt freshman last season, leading the Gators in sacks with five. He also was sturdy against the run. Based on what the coaches have said about him, he developed into a dominant player this spring and seems primed to have a major breakout season in 2017. As a redshirt sophomore, he will be eligible for the draft.
Chances he leaves early: 60 percent.
Jordan Scarlett, running back
He emerged as the starting tailback as a true sophomore last season and only strengthened his hold on the position with a productive spring. After rushing for 889 yards last season, he'll look to crack the 1,000-yard mark in what should be a more balanced offense this season. Hey, if Kelvin Taylor can come out early, it certainly will be an option for Scarlett, who seems to be a much more complete pro prospect.
Chances he leaves early: 55 percent.
Taven Bryan, defensive tackle
The "Wyoming Wild Man" certainly has the size, strength and ability to play in the NFL, but consistency is something he needs to continue to work on in his junior season. When he plays with a high motor, he's tough to handle. He just doesn't do it all the time.
Chances he leaves early: 50 percent.
Khairi Clark, defensive tackle
He doesn't have much in the way of defensive stats, but his value as a run stopper and absorber of double teams is not lost on the coaches. He is a big, strong presence in the middle that is hard to move.
Chances he leaves early: 45 percent.

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this means you can not only get to the nfl by signing at florida but turn an unpaid year of wear and tear into a year of nfl compensation. not everyone can say this to 40% + of the class. what's not to like for the recruits? this out come reduces the likelihood of paying the players. Players can refuse to play to get the ncaa to pay them, since there is risk in playing and practicing of getting hurt, which you see happening more and more among elite players. id allow them to be compensated... » more
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Strange to read of a redshirt freshman from last year thinking of jumping to the NFL after this year. College football becomes more and more a developmental league for the NFL with every passing year and I hate it. The NCAA should stand up to the NFL and get them to create their own developmental league or pay colleges a certain amount of money (and lots of it so college players can get paid) based on the NFL players they produce. I would prefer the NFL developmental league where high school... » more
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@Rick Gillmore if there were such a developmental league as you propose then college football would suck ****. It is a given that most good college football players want to go to the NFL and their college education is secondary. Why would any of them go to college if a 2 year NFL league was available. Come on man it's fine as is.
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@Rick Gillmore : Sorry Rick, but what leverage would the NCAA possibly have to get the NFL to do this? The League enjoys the verrry lucrative benefit of having a free minor league system right now that is almost as popular and media savy as the NFL itself. Even their annual draft is a money making 3 day media event due in part to the amount of media coverage the college players have garnered over their 3 years in "school" (classes optional at North Carolina). It is what it is.
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