Monday, September 2, 2013

[gatortalk] Fwd: [gatornews] GatorNews from the Palm Beach Post and the Miami Herald, courtesy of JunoGator

Thanks, JunoGator, for helping renew the venom in the Miami rivalry. This is a good set of writings to help remember why I hate the Canes. 
It's also a good reason to hate the South Florida "journalists" again. 
All they've got is Brock Berlin?  Where's Nevin?
And, who is the little crumb who gets down on Muschamp for chastising the media for screwing up over Jon Bostic?  Punk!
I hope the Gators drill them Saturday, adding a couple of late "run-it-up" touchdowns. Maybe that'll give Miami and its fans something to remember the Gators by. 

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UM FOOTBALL

Brock Berlin's defining moment as a Miami Hurricane


 

Brock Berlin engineered one of the greatest comebacks in Hurricanes history 10 years ago when he rallied UM in the second half to defeat Florida in front of an electrified Orange Bowl.

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BY SUSAN MILLER DEGNAN

SDEGNAN@MIAMIHERALD.COM

Nearly 10 years to the day have passed since the man who began his college career as a Florida Gator and ended it as a Miami Hurricane, sprinted in glory on the Orange Bowl turf doing the Gator chomp.

Quarterback Brock Berlin, who orchestrated the spectacular 38-33 comeback victory against UF in 2003, recalls that moment as surely as he recalls former Gators guard Shannon Snell — a good friend, mind you — telling reporters before the game that he hoped UF's defense would make Berlin's "mouth bleed."

"I've never felt a stadium become so electric since that game," said Berlin, a former St. Louis Ram and short-lived Miami Dolphin whose Canes were down 33-10 with 3:35 left in the third quarter before he rallied them to the win.

"The place was shaking. The people were going crazy. It was an amazing feeling."

Though the Orange Bowl is no more, Berlin, 32, will return to the Miami sideline at noon Saturday to watch his Hurricanes (1-0) take on the No. 10 Gators (1-0) in front of a capacity crowd at Sun Life Stadium. He said he was asked last month to serve as UM's honorary captain for the game, which will mark the first time UF returns to Miami since the historic comeback.

Coral Gables police officer Maurice Sikes, who played as a safety in the 2003 game and had his finest moment against UF at The Swamp with two interceptions in 2002, will be there as well — as will fullback Kyle Cobia and likely other members of that squad.

Former receivers Sinorice Moss and Kevin Beard will watch on TV.

CAREER HIGHLIGHT

Beard, now a substitute teacher in Broward County and receivers/special teams coach for University School, made the comeback possible with his seven-catch, one-touchdown, 164-yard career-best performance.

"It doesn't get any bigger than that," said Beard, 32, the father of two young boys and a 2-year-old girl. "All I could think about was Reggie Wayne, Santana Moss, Andre Johnson, Andre King, Daryl Jones, Ethenic Sands — all the receivers I was blessed to play with at UM, before they left me to carry the torch as a fifth-year senior. I couldn't let them down.

"The game is never over as long as there's time on the clock. All that's left is an opportunity to do the unthinkable — and we did that."

With third-ranked UM trailing 21st-ranked UF 33-10 and most of the Orange Bowl capacity crowd chanting "Let's Go Canes!" the Hurricanes would not die. UM scored three times within seven-and-a-half minutes from late in the third quarter to early in the fourth. With 3:35 left in the third, Berlin hit Beard for their first touchdown connection of the season — a 26-yard seam route — followed by a two-point conversion pass to Ryan Moore that made it 33-18.

Berlin then hit Beard for a 62-yard gain with 35 seconds left in the quarter to put UM on the 1-yard line. Frank Gore scored two seconds later to cut the UM deficit to 33-25.

The Canes came one point short of the lead when Moore caught a 6-yard touchdown pass with 11:08 remaining in the game. The Orange Bowl rocked as the home team trailed 33-32.

Moss, then a sophomore trying to follow in the footsteps of his record-setting older brother Santana, said he, like Beard, knew even before that moment that the Canes would prevail.

"I can close my eyes and see every single thing from that game," said Moss, 29, who was close with Berlin during their time together in Coral Gables. "It was electrifying that night in the Orange Bowl — Brock's moment to showcase to us and the rest of the world who he was as a quarterback and who we were as a team.

"We saw it in Brock's eyes. In the huddle he said we were going to do anything it took to get the victory. He was calm, but he was fired up, too."

UM took over on its 11 after a UF punt, and Beard came through again with a 25-yard leaping catch to put the Canes on the 36.

A 5-yard penalty brought the Canes back to their 31, but on first-and-15, Berlin hit Moss for his first catch of the season on a 26-yard curl.

Moss, now a film and TV actor in Los Angeles, played with the New York Giants from 2006 through 2009 and ended his football career in 2012 with the Saskatchewan Roughriders of the Canadian Football League. But he still regards that 26-yard catch as a career highlight.

"That was a huge moment for me," he said. "I was heading toward the west end zone and told myself, 'Catch it before you take off.' "

UM had another first down from the UF 43, and subsequently benefited from a 6-yard Berlin bootleg on fourth-and-1. Berlin lay sprawled on the ground with a leg cramp and called timeout with 2:38 remaining.

DECISIVE DRIVE

"I was dehydrated," he said, "but there wasn't anything that was going to take me out of that game. I remember stepping into the huddle and thinking there was no doubt in any of those 10 guys' eyes. We believed in each other."

Berlin passed to fullback Cobia for 11 yards. Then, on third-and-5, Gore charged 12 yards, dragging Bobby McCray into the end zone for the winning touchdown.

Not to be outdone, UM's defense also began to thrive once the Canes began their comeback.

Sikes, 32 and the father of two girls and a boy, still comes to practices when he can fit them in between his overnight shifts as a cop.

He said he recalls "being on the sideline" during that comeback "and the score was 33-10 and [defensive backs coach] Mark Stoops said, 'We're going to play out the game and not let them score anymore so it doesn't look bad.'

"And I remember [safety] Sean Taylor and I were sitting there and told him, 'Coach, man, we've got time. We're going to win this game!'

"We never felt like that Gators team had a killer instinct."

After the game, Berlin did his infamous Gator chomp.

"For me it was pure fun," he said. "The Gators fans razzed me, so I looked at it as a way to razz them back. There was no hatred. I still have great friends from Florida, and I have nothing against UF."

But be assured that Berlin is pure Cane. Though he came to UF as the 1999 Gatorade National Player of the Year, he sat on the bench behind Rex Grossman and transferred to UM after realizing his future in Gainesville was limited.

Now married and the father of 4-year-old and 3-month-old girls and a 2-year-old son, Berlin lives in his hometown of Shreveport, La., and sells medical devices for a company owned by Johnson & Johnson.

Though he was undrafted in 2005, he signed a free agent contract with the Dolphins and served as a backup during training camp. He also threw 12 passes in the 2006 preseason but was eventually cut.

Berlin made his only NFL regular-season start for the Rams in December 2007, completing 17 of 28 passes for 153 yards against the Cincinnati Bengals, with an interception.

He still considers Canes fans the best in college football and never looked back once he transferred. He threw for 5,099 yards and 34 touchdowns in two seasons at UM, beating Florida twice and Florida State three times.

"You know what's great about Canes fans?" he said. "Their expectations are high. They want to see you playing your best. My time with them was awesome.

"I am a Cane and that's all I am."

Berlin, Moss and Beard all believe the Canes will defeat the Gators on Saturday, but don't expect Berlin to be doing the Gator chomp if they do.

"No, I don't think I'm going to be doing that," he said, laughing. "I'm just honored to be coming back to be part of the game with our fans. I watched the team Friday night and they looked good.

"We have a chance to be really special this year."




No. 10 Florida Gators prepare for Miami Hurricanes team that seeks credibility-building win



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Aug 31, 2013; Gainesville, FL, USA; Florida Gators running back Mack Brown (33) is congratulated by teammates after he ran the ball in for a touchdown during the first half against the Toledo Rockets at Ben Hill Griffin Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Kim Klement-USA TODAY Sports
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GAINESVILLE — 
For seven years, Florida has loomed over Miami as the superior program, and this could be the Hurricanes' last chance in the foreseeable future to fire back.
But after storming to an 11-2 record and a Sugar Bowl appearance last season, the Gators are accustomed to opponents salivating over the chance to take them down.
"Every team's gunning for us," defensive tackle Dominique Easley said when asked what he expected from Miami this week. "So we've just got to prepare correctly and come out there and do what we do."
When No. 10 Florida takes on the Hurricanes at Sun Life Stadium on Saturday (noon, ESPN), it might be the final regular-season opportunity for either team to "do what we do" against each other.
The teams can always meet in a bowl, but this game closes out a home-and-home contract signed by the schools in 2006. Both athletic directors indicated there are no plans for a new deal.
Florida coach Will Muschamp said he loves the rivalry, but his school's preference is to play seven home games every season and keep Florida State as its only major nonconference opponent. With the SEC likely heading toward a nine-game conference schedule in the next few years, there is no room for Miami in UF's plans.
"When you play in this league and you play Florida State, we don't have to apologize for our schedule," Gators athletic director Jeremy Foley said in May. "If you played nine conference games plus Florida State, you'd never have to apologize for the schedule.
"There has been no discussion between us and the University of Miami. I have great respect for Miami's total athletic program, but that's just something that is not high on the list right now."
In terms of this season, the Hurricanes (1-0) would instantly grab some credibility by toppling a top-10 team. UF, meanwhile, knows that any loss could derail its shot at playing for a national title. Both teams are coming off decisive season-opening wins against small-conference foes: The Gators beat Toledo 24-6 on Saturday, and Miami defeated Florida Atlantic 34-6 the night before.
Beyond that, the Gators (1-0) are looking to continue their recent dominance. While they have only played UM once in the past seven years, a UF win in 2008, they had the better record each season and won two national championships during that period.
Muschamp and Miami coach Al Golden weren't around for the '08 game at Ben Hill Griffin Stadium, and all of the players from those rosters are gone other than Jeremy Brown, UF's sixth-year senior cornerback. Still, the Hurricanes' fan base certainly remembers the sting of that 26-3 defeat.
As if losing to UF for the first time since 1985 wasn't bad enough, the Hurricanes watched Urban Meyer tack on a field goal with 25 seconds left instead of letting the clock run out.
"Sometimes when you do things and people see what kind of person you really are, you turn a lot of people off," former UM coach Randy Shannon said afterward.
That was actually the second touchy kick in the series. After watching the UF crowd throw oranges at his players during the Hurricanes' 1980 blowout, Miami coach Howard Schnellenberger opted for a field goal on the final play of a 31-7 win.
The 2008 loss ended Miami's six-game winning streak in the rivalry. The Hurricanes won two games in each home stadium, plus the 2000 Sugar Bowl and 2004 Peach Bowl. They have a 28-26 lead all time and have won 11 of the last 15 meetings.
Stopping the Hurricanes' streak was a highlight of Meyer's incredible run from 2006-09. The Gators went 48-7 and won two BCS titles, while Miami stumbled to seven losses in the 2007 season alone and went 28-23 overall in that span.
UF has been beating the Hurricanes off the field as well by staying out of NCAA trouble and cleaning up in recruiting. The recent signing class marked the eighth straight time the Gators were ahead of UM in Rivals' recruiting rankings. Florida made the top five nationally in six of those years; Miami did it just once.
Games like this can sway prospects who are trying to decide which school has the brighter future.
"Definitely," Gators running back Valdez Showers said. "They are playing to win the state, just like we are. It's big."


Size, athleticism give Miami Hurricanes' Pat O'Donnell leg up on most punters



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In Al Golden's eyes, Pat O'Donnell looks less like a guy who kicks footballs than a guy who kicks rear ends.
"He looks like a Sam linebacker," the Miami coach said, jokingly describing O'Donnell's body as similar to "Drago," referring to"Rocky IV's" Ivan Drago.
Next to freakish defensive ends and mammoth offensive tackles, some punters hardly look like legitimate athletes, much less fictional boxing super-villains. But O'Donnell, all 6-feet-5 and 220 pounds of him, brings some stellar athletic credentials.
O'Donnell said he runs a 4.6 40-yard dash, which is respectable for any player of his size. He even made college football writer Bruce Feldman's annual "Top 10 Freaks" list of college football workout warriors in 2011. Feldman wrote that O'Donnell had a "355-pound bench, broad jumps 9'2" and his 10-yard split of 1.53 seconds is actually faster than the time (former Florida speedster and 2012 Olympian) Jeff Demps clocks."
After playing at Palm Beach Central High, O'Donnell spent four years at Cincinnati before graduating and transferring home to play his final season of eligibility for the Hurricanes.
In his debut Friday night in Miami's 34-6 win over Florida Atlantic, O'Donnell punted four times, averaging 44.8 yards. O'Donnell also kicked off seven times, placing each one inside the 3-yard line. Three went for touchbacks.
Last year's punter, Dalton Botts, was a capable player, graduating with a 40.5 yard-per-punt average. O'Donnell's new teammates say he's on a different level.
"When somebody's dropping 75-yard bombs in practice and Golden's yelling at him to at least let the returner have a chance, it's really amazing," long snapper Sean McNally said. "When I'm running down to get the return, I feel like I'm running forever."
According to UM, O'Donnell recently produced a practice punt with a 4.71-second hang time. If repeated consistently, one expert said, he might have an NFL job someday.
"If you and I could step on the field and hit 4.7s every time, we could make millions," said Rick Sang, director of Ray Guy Kicking Academy.
O'Donnell, 22, was a first-team All-State kicker at Palm Beach Central and co-winner of the 2008 Lou Groza Award for top kicker in Palm Beach County. Coach Rod Harris said he was an outstanding athlete then, playing some linebacker and tight end in addition to kicking and punting duties.
"We'd do 70 up-downs. He'd do every one," Harris said. "I'd say, 'Pat, you don't have to do that.' He'd say 'Yeah, but I'm part of this team.' "
O'Donnell was a self-described "big-time" Hurricanes fan growing up in Lake Worth. However, UM didn't offer him a scholarship. Miami's punter and kicker at the time was Jupiter's Matt Bosher, the 2004 and 2005 Groza winner who now plays for the Atlanta Falcons.
The only school that offered O'Donnell a full ride was Cincinnati, and he earned every penny. He was a two-time All-Big East selection for the Bearcats, who won three Big East titles in his four years. His career average was 42.6 yards per punt. In 2011, he was a semifinalist for the Ray Guy award for the nation's top punter, and he's on the watch list this year.
Because he graduated, O'Donnell, who said he returned home to attend to a family matter, can play immediately at UM. That certainly pleases his coach.
"It's a huge, huge bonus," Golden said. "I'm so impressed with how steady he is, and the commitment to his craft that he has. He's the same guy every day. In my mind, it's like Tiger Woods, just banging balls every day. … Every day, it's like the driving range for him."


UF FOOTBALL

Bragging rights at stake in renewed rivalry between Miami Hurricanes, Florida Gators


 

The bad blood between former rivals Miami and Florida has dissipated over time, but when they meet Saturday for the first time in five years, a lot still will be at stake.

BY JESSE SIMONTON

MIAMI HERALD WRITER

GAINESVILLE -- The undercards are finished.

The 10th-ranked Gators powered past an explosive Toledo team 24-6 in their season opener Saturday, and sophomore sensation Duke Johnson propelled the Hurricanes to a 34-6 victory over a pedestrian FAU bunch on Friday to begin the University of Miami's season.

Now it's time for the main event.

It's Florida-Miami week.

Just one week into the 2013 season, the Gators and Hurricanes square off in a pivotal in-state matchup — each fighting for bragging rights, recruiting ground and respect.

Basically everything except the old Seminole War Canoe.

"It's a big one," Gators quarterback Jeff Driskel said. "They're a good team."

Said Marcus Roberson, UF cornerback and former Fort Lauderdale St. Thomas Aquinas standout, "It's gonna be fun for all of us."

And, hopefully, for the fans, too.

The Gators and Canes last played in 2008, and Saturday's matchup could be the final regular-season meeting for a long time.

The two powerhouse programs once played an annual rivalry game — every season from 1938 to 1987 (except for 1943, when UF didn't have a football team) — but Florida discontinued the regular-season series in 1987, and the schools have met just five times since 2000.

UM, winners of four of the past five, dropped the series' most recent meeting in 2008 — a blowout win for UF (26-3), and a game in which former Gators coach Urban Meyer infamously kicked a late field goal to the dismay of ex-Canes coach Randy Shannon.

But bad blood dissipates over time, and now the two programs simply rest in very different circumstances.

Saturday's matchup is the ultimate juxtaposition of style and stature.

After several subpar seasons, Florida is once again among the nation's elite. Under coach Will Muschamp's guidance, the Gators are projected to compete for a national title, bullying foes with a superb defense and a ground-and-pound attack. It's an ugly, yet successful formula.

In its win over Toledo, UF rushed for 262 yards and held the nation's No. 32 offense in 2012 to 205 total yards, six points and just a single third down conversion (1 of 13) — even though two top defenders (Antonio Morrison and Loucheiz Puifoy) missed the game because of suspension.

Although Florida's offense remains a work in progress, the Gators did flash potential improvements in the season opener, as well as display some new toys for offensive coordinator Brent Pease.

Fullback Gideon Ajagbe — nicknamed postgame the "Nigerian Nightmare" by teammates — tailback Mack Brown and scat-back Valdez Showers all emerged as quality offensive pieces missing a season ago.

Florida's penalty problem popped up again, as did inconsistent offensive line play.

"We got to get that out of our system, and I've been saying that for three years," Muschamp said. "But the best thing about being 1-0 is a chance to be 2-0. We'll look at the film and make the corrections for a really good Miami football team."

Overall, Muschamp was pleased with his team's effort but admitted they have to play even better against Miami.

"They always say your best improvements are from Week 1 to Week 2," he said. "We hope that old adage continues."

Meanwhile, Miami is engineered by a high-octane offense, led by Johnson and experienced quarterback Stephen Morris. The Canes defense played well against FAU, especially rushing the passer, but Miami struggled mightily stopping the run in 2012 (No.114 nationally in rushing defense), and it remains to be seen whether UM can slow down UF's bread-and-butter rushing attack.

The Canes haven't won 10 games in a season since 2003, but Al Golden's team is desperate to reenter the national conversion. and a date with a top-10 former rival could be just that opportunity.

"It's a big game because we're in it," UF linebacker Ronald Powell told GatorZone TV.

Shots fired.

It really is Florida-Miami week.


Muschamp lampoons (select) media

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*****UPDATE*****

I've removed the video because it was set to auto-play. Here's the transcript of Florida coach Will Muschamp's postgame rant...

"I am gonna address something. Uh, y'all know, we had four players that were suspended for today. And we had one player, that you know, very inaccurate information in The Gainesville Sun, the Palm Beach Post and GatorsCountry.

That was very irresponsible journalism, okay?

You guys can write whatever you want to say about me. You can say I'm a bad football coach. You can say I'm a bad dad, I'm a bad husband, I'm a bad person. You really can say anything you want to say. That's your opinion. You can talk about our offense, our defense, our special teams. You can talk about our coaching staff, you can talk about our administration. That's your opinion. And you're entitled to that, and that's fair. But when you take a shot at a kid and it's inaccurate, and it's written inaccurately: I got a problem. So I can be accused of a lot of things, of being overprotective of our players for accurate information.

I am really pissed off, and it's wrong.

And I dealt with it last night with a parent, and I had to deal with it this morning with another parent. All right, because it was inaccurate, and it was wrong, and it was totally irresponsible. Again, your opinion is fine. Take shots at me all day. Jeremy [Foley] pays me enough.

I'll take [shots] all day. All right?

But to take a shot at a freshman that's done everything we've asked him to do since he's been here. He is a great young man. He should've played today if we'd have gotten into some situations to play him. He's done everything we've asked him to do. He's a great teammate. He's great in that locker room. And to take that shot is wrong.

It's damn wrong.

And I can't tell you, our trust is done. I can assure you that. And you know exactly who I'm talking to. I don't know where the Gator Country guys are,  I'm going to tell you right now, we're done. And that was completely wrong. You need to apologize to his parents, and you need to apologize to that kid. Because you won't put your name behind something? Why don't you tell me who your source was? That's what I'd like to know. Who was your source? Church mice in here.

You know, if you wanna write something, stand up and stand behind it. That's what I'm going to tell you. You took a shot at a kid and a family that's done nothing wrong. And it's, it's really bad. I'm going to meet with Mr. Foley to see if y'all are even going to be allowed to come back in here again. I'll be honest with you it's a low blow, for me. To deal with our opening ball game at the University of Florida and I'm dealing with this. Bad journalism. But you know, 'sources said.'"




Of (Church Mice) and Men: Muschamp's rant

By now, many Florida fans have seen, read or at least heard about coach Will Muschamp's two-minute tirade chastising the media -- specifically the website GatorCountry.com, The Gainesville Sun and The Palm Beach Post -- for erroneously reporting that freshman defensive lineman Jay-nard Bostwick was suspended for Saturday's season opener.


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I'm not going to rehash the tedious play-by-play of how everything was reported, nor am I here to start some finger-pointing contest. If you want a solid recap of the timeline of everything, check out Andy Hutchins'piece on the SB Nation site Alligator Army. 

Hopefully my thoughts don't read as some ombudsman's analysis, but rather the opinion of a young writer -- who admittedly has plenty to learn -- but who is on the beat and was present for the public lampooning.

Yes, the three named outlets screwed up, and they screwed up pretty badly. Muschamp was defensible in standing up for Bostwick and his family. He was right in saying a kid who's done nothing wrong shouldn't see his name lumped in with a bunch of knuckleheads who did. It is no secret Muschamp is a player's coach, and Saturday's public stance is a big reason why. 

But Muschamp's whole Col. Jessup routine lost all credence the second he dressed down reporters with a lesson on ethics and journalism. While he deserves an 'A' for showmanship, it was more like a 'C+' on material.

Who can really handle the truth?

Again, the outlets that reported the inaccurate information messed up. Hopefully as an honest mistake -- although how two outlets independently cited (via separate sources) the same incorrect name without ever mentioning the original report -- who first reported the wrong name -- is quite peculiar, but alas, I said I wouldn't get into that.

Anyways, Muschamp's ardent table-pounding of "irresponsible journalism" and "who was your source" is rather laughable considering Muschamp brazenly lied Wednesday during the weekly SEC Teleconference. Muschamp told the media, "No. Not at this time," when asked if Florida had any other looming suspensions besides linebacker Antonio Morrison.

Well about that, here's what Muschamp -- Accidentally? Purposefully? -- said later in Saturday's postgame press conference:

"I announced to our football team last Thursday (presumably August 22) we're going to be down some guys. They knew who I was talking about because they were on special teams. I told them exactly who they were. They made a mistake, and we have consequences in our program. Our players understand that, and we move forward."

So why wait until two hours until kickoff to announce the suspensions? 

"We were going to announce it before the game. It was going to be announced before the game. That's my prerogative as the head coach at Florida is for our football team, right? That's what we were going to do."

And there you have. It is Muschamp's prerogative, and yet erring on the side of secrecy or stubbornly being evasive (all in the name of some arbitrary competitive advantage) preemptively damaged the very player(s) Muschamp later doggedly defended.

Mistakes -- honest or not -- happen.

It was a bad error by multiple publications, but for some time now, the UAA has had a rather adversarial relationship with the media -- and both sides were exposed in a situation like Saturday's.  

While Florida's Iron Fist keeps a select few close, it mostly acts as an invisible gate between players/coaches/administration and reporters. 

The "us" vs. "them" mentality must change. We are not the enemy, nor the players/coaches/administration the combatant(s). It's a give-and-take relationship, and if everyone wants to avoid situations like this in the future -- something's got to change.

Hopefully, sooner rather than later. 















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